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job and lays groundwork for more economic growth and deficit reduction. >> just moments ago, senator harry reid says he's readying a bill for a vote by monday. all this follows a rare face-to-face closed door meeting at the white house today between all the key players, the president, the vice president, the treasury secretary and all four congressional leaders huddled together with just four days to go before we all go overs fiscal cliff. that meeting lasted for an hour and five minutes. on a story where every second and every maneuver counts, let's get chief to white house correspondent jessica yellin. jessica, the president says he's modestly optimist being but each also presented a backup plan. does the president really think it will come to that? >> at this point, no, they
don't, john, because the white house is hopeful that the agreement that the senators are working on can actually move forward after the meeting here. there is a modest uptick in enthusiasm about that possibility. but as forts backup plan, there's no real likelihood that would ever come to a vote because republicans would likely block it in both the senate and might -- it would likely not come to a vote in the house. so that's really more rhetoric than it is reality and we have to hope for option a, getting an agreement in the senate if we're going to avoid going over the cliff. >> rhetoric versus reality. that's always a tricky place to be in washington. listen, this is some serious high stakes political poker here. what can you tell us about the meeting at the white house today? >> well, we've heard different takes where you hear everybody has a different perspective on what happened depending on which party they're in. the big takeaway is everybody
left grieving on the next step, which is that the senate will confer, the two leaders will confer and try to hammer out an agreement that democrats and republicans can both get on board with this what they will spend their day with tomorrow. we are not going to see or hear a lot of public action tomorrow. then they'll try to sell it to their respective parties on sunday, as you said, they'll try to bring it to a vote maybe sunday night or sometime monday morning in the senate. and at least there's agreement on the next steps, john. it's better than nothing. >> thank you, jessica. it will be a working weekend. the minnesota majority in the house of representatives will of course be key to getting any deal across the finish line. "outfront" tonight, republican congress steve la turret of ohio, a member of the appropriations committee. thanks for coming "outfront." with this plan that the president's put forward, the scaled-down plan which would
keep taxes low for 98% of americans, raising them for folks over 250, extending unemployment benefits. would you vote for that as an alternative to going over the fiscal cliff? >> i would have voted just to extend the tax cuts for 99.8% or whatever it was of americans that was john boehner's plan "b." a couple of things are either being misreported or inaccurately reported because what gets in the way of the president's plan is the constitution of the united states. and the good thing about this meeting is that the focus is now firmly on the united states senate where it should have been all these months. the house acted a long time ago to extend all the tax cuts and take care of sequestration. the senate has given speeches. >> you're referring to the fact that revenue issues are supposed to generate in the house. right now, both speaker boehner and the president say it's between reid and mcconnell which does raise the question, whatever procedural and constitutional issues, which are profound. are you concerned as a republican, someone who is close
to speaker boehner, if we go over the fiscal cliff, that republicans will get the blame? >> well, of course they will. because republicans get blamed if it rains if washington. that shouldn't be the test here, it shouldn't be the consideration. but senator reid has had it within his power since spring to amend the house bill and send it back with whatever changes he wanted. that's what the constitution says. sadly, they've given speeches instead of getting the job done. but nobody, nobody wants taxes to go up on middle class americans. and i hope that everybody works real hard over the weekend. a lot of americans have to work on the weekend. i don't think it's a big deal that we have to work this weekend. >> it's not a big deal and you should all be working this weekend. listen, a few weeks ago it looked like speaker boehner and president obama were pretty close on a grand bargain. maybe not as big as should would hope. it looked like the president was saying, we'll raise that top rate and offer some entitlement reform. social security changes, cpi. some talk of raising the medicare eligibility age. now because of where we're at do
you feel that the folks on the far right of your own party by not supporting the speaker have ended up undercutting their position and ultimately will get less of a good deal on issues they care about than they might have gotten otherwise? >> i think the country has missed a huge opportunity to solve the nation's problem and instead whatever comes out of the senate will be small ball, kick the can down the road. that's unfortunate because this is a big problem. i don't think the president and speaker were real close so i don't think my conservative colleagues have screwed anything up because the president, if you look at his call for a balanced proposal, it was never balanced because he was asking for $900 billion of tax increases and chain cpi which was the super piece is $300 billion. when you talk 3 to 1 spending cuts to tax increases he had it lopsided. >> fair enough. i want to bring in a third party, s&p. today they released a statement keeping america at its downgraded credit rating. they said august 5, 2011,
standard & poor's lowered its rating for the u.s. citing among other factors the political brinksmanship of recent months that highlights america's governance becoming less stable, less effective, and less predictable. we believe this characterization still holds. do you know this congress, your congress, has done more harm than good? do you feel embarrassed being part of a congress that ranks up there with the do-nothing congresses of all time? >> i think america should be embarrassed by its leadership in washington, d.c. but that extends to the white house, senate, and house of representatives. this has been the most predictable disaster coming at us for a number of years, and certainly months. and the fact that we have been unable to do things and instead worried about our next elections instead of the next generation of americans, i think it's sinful and i hope that people turn out those who have been responsible for it. >> congressman, you're a straight shooter, we always appreciate you coming "outfront." next, mixed feelings about gun control. most americans support a ban on
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our second story "outfront" tonight. guns in america. politicians promised the newtown massacre would change everything. but since it happened just two weeks ago today, 277 people in this country are dead because of gun violence. according to a tally compiled by "slate." americans are sending mixed messages where they stand. a new gallup poll shows 54% have a favorable opinion of the national rifle association which is adamant new gun laws are not the answer to stemming violence, down slightly from a year ago. on the other hand, a poll by "the washington post" and abc shows 52% of americans favor banning semiautomatic weapons, 59% support banning high-capacity clips. "outfront" tonight, roland and margaret.
good to see you guys. margaret, i know that you grew up hunting, your dad took you hunting in colorado. one of the sea changes we've seen in the wake of this shooting is senators like joe manchin, mike warner, saying i've changed my mind, joe manchin saying, i've never hunted with more than three shells in a clip. why isn't this a conversation we can be having more broadly? and getting republican senators on board? >> i would also point you to the democratic governor of colorado in the wake of the aurora shootings also said, i'm not sure if an assault weapons ban would have stopped james woolsly in this mass certificate in colorado. an assault weapons ban wouldn't have stopped him. it's not just a republican or democratic issue. in 1994, the democrats took a huge political walloping -- do you like that word? for instituting the assault weapons ban, and the house of representative s went back to republicans for the first time in four years -- >> i'm not sure that's why they took a whooping. >> here's why we have had a frank conversation.
any time you talk about guns or gun violence in this country, it goes to, if we do this, it would not have prevented this certain act. the issue is not what just took place in newtown. the issue that is we have an epidemic in america when it comes to gun violence. so with this conversation, it has become one-dimensional, it's only about guns, it's about a magazine. it hasn't been broadened to deal with poverty, economics, mental illness. you can look at newtown, chicago, stand your ground laws in florida, it's a broader gun issue. >> you're talking about comprehensive reform, you're talking about a larger conversation. i want to read a quote by senator marco rubio. he did seem to indicate a change of sentiment. he said, senator rubio supports a serious and comprehensive study of our laws to find a new and better way to prevent more mass shootings. that is one of the few republican senators who did send that kind of a signal.
in the immediate wake. here's the question: if we agree it's comprehensive and part of this is obviously mental health issues, why can't high-capacity magazine clips or assault weapons, which have no purpose other than to kill as many people as quickly as possible, be part of a comprehensive conversation? >> in my view everything should be on the table if you can prove it will work or there's a sense it will work. the truth is, roland, if you can -- agreed with you, if you can take 8% here, 8% here, 8% here, you should do it. that is a reasonable approach. >> the reason i'm smiling is because we're trial to have inverted conversation. newtown was a moment. aurora was a moment. john, what you're really asking for is where is the movement? >> that's right. >> with a movement, there has to be a starting point. if you look at the civil rights movement, that started with emmittville, montgomery. montgomery was supposed to be a boycott. people on the ground who begin to drive this issue. the conversation can't start in
washington. washington is an aftereffect. it has to start with the people in various places driving them to move. if that doesn't happen, they will not move. >> you're absolutely right. that is the history of movements in america. but there is going to be a bill we know senator dianne feinstein is going to introduce a bill on the first day of the new congress. why shouldn't more folks get behind that, including some republicans? because i'd like to remind you of one thing. justice scalia said in the heller decision, like most rights the second amendment is not unlighted. -- not unlimited. he said, it is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever for whatever purpose. from the high priest of the supreme court of conservatism himself. why doesn't that create some room for current conservatives like ronald reagan did in 1994 to back an assault weapons ban? >> the issue is, are you going to be punishing law-abiding gun owners with these kind of
regulations? there are plenty of people who own these guns who have a right to own these guns who are not part of the problem. are you punishing those people who have a right to own those guns because there are crazies out there that you are not affecting with an assault guns weapon? there is nothing about this that touches mental health -- >> do i really need so shoot 30 bullets at one time? is 10 okay? >> who is presumptuous enough to determine what that number is for law-abiding gun owners? >> again, this is part of its own issue. -- this whole issue. when you say high-capacity magazines, you've got people who are law abiding. of course you do. guess what? if the people who are law-abiding say, i can hunt. but first of all, that means you're a bad shot if you need 30 bullets. okay? again, you have to have those folks step up. john, she can introduce the bill all she wants to. unless you have massive public pressure, which is why i got in trouble last week when i said, if one of those mothers did what mamie till says, and said show
my baby in an open casket, versus the photos, it causes people to change on this issue. because we're confronted with it. we don't want to see what it looks like. we don't want to see that. >> that's why we're continuing the conversation. that's a great point about emmett till. at least 30 others have been taken off the job after background checks and criminals records including drug use. barbara starr has this exclusive "outfront" investigation. >> reporter: this little boy was supposed to be safe at an army day care center. >> this happened to military families a stone's throw away from the pentagon. if it could happen here, it could happen anywhere. >> reporter: this military wife and other of two doesn't want her face shown. cnn has also agreed not to show
her children's faces or identify them by age. >> obviously, barbara, i am concerned about the privacy of my children. and then there's always the possibility of retaliation against my husband. >> reporter: it's every parent's nightmare. finding out her toddler was physically assaulted by child care workers at the ft. myer army day care center. the scandal grew to the point if the obama made an unprecedented phone call to army secretary john mac cue to express his concern. according to this fbi affidavit, this little boy and others were punched and slapped. one child was dragged across the floor. >> we thought, of all the different options, putting them in a child care facility during the day that was on a military base, that was pretty well-staffed, would be the
safest, most secure environment for them. >> reporter: it all began back on september 26th when a parent reported misconduct. the army quickly reviewed surveillance video and found several young children, all under the age of 5, were physically abused. charges of simple assault were filed. but parents were still in the dark. two days later, on september 28th, they are hand adler saying -- they are handed a letter saying only that there is a report of alleged mistreatment and inappropriate behavior by staff. >> all along, this first week when we were being sort of given piecemeal information, denied access to the videotapes, we were also being asked if we wanted to seek medical care for our child. >> reporter: medical care for what? >> for what? obviously we wanted to understand and see with our own eyes, since that evidence was available. >> reporter: she was horrified when she finally saw the
surveillance tape of her child. >> obviously you don't ever want to see your child subjected to that kind of assault. these were the caregivers we entrusted them to every morning. >> reporter: november 7, the army started checking other employees records and found backgrounds including charges of sexual abuse of a minor, assault, and drug charges. on december 14th, 30 workers are suspended. but parents are still not told about those faulty background checks. this mother says she moved her children out of the ft. myer center. >> we believe the military families deserve better than this. >> barbara, a fascinating and disturbing report. one element is that secretary panetta wasn't told about this significant breach of trust, just outside the pentagon, an army facility, for almost two months. what happened with that? >> reporter: that's right, secretary panetta wasn't told, we're told the army secretary john mchugh wasn't informed
until the very end. officials tell us there were procedures, going through personnel procedures to look at all these people, and there was this criminal investigation, they had to finish that up. i have to tell you, aides, close aides to both men are very disturbed about all of this. they say that both secretaries want this fixed. >> of course they do, barbara. one other question is, how could these background checks fail so close to the pentagon, people working with children, when their backgrounds show allegations of sexual abuse and drug use in their past? >> reporter: that's what they're trying to figure out. there is now a full investigation into the procedures of background checks. were these people running into legal trouble while they were already working and it wasn't reported? were the background checks never done properly in the first place? they're trying to figure all of this out, and at the same time, defense secretary panetta has told all of the military services to look at the same question at all of their facilities.
>> thank you, barbara starr at the pentagon. "outfront" next, worries about the fiscal cliff wreaking havoc on our economy. stocks down for the fifth straight day. what lawmakers must do to stop the bleeding. we count down our top political rivalries. find out how many of your favorite politicians made this list. through diet and exercise, alli can help you lose one more by blocking some of the fat you eat. let's fight fat with alli. ♪
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i'm john avlon in for erin burnett. we start the second half of our show with other stories we're following tonight. russian president vladimir putin has signed a bill into law that bans u.s. families from adopting russian children. the u.s. state department calls the move politically motivated. the law is seen largely as retaliation for an act signed by
president obama that restricts human rights abusers from traveling into the u.s. two military officials tell cnn the syrian government is now using more accurate iranian-made missiles. this week the sources say the regime fired at least two of those short-range ballistic missiles in an attempt to hit syrian targets more accurately. the use of these weapons has prompted nato to send patriot missile systems to protect turkey. they're expected to be in place by the end of january. a 24-year-old woman has been arrested in connection with the gunman who ambushed and killed two firefighters when called to a house fire in upstate new york. police announced today she purchased the rifle and shotgun used in the christmas eve attack. she told the gun shop she would be the true owner but she purchased the guns for aex con -- a convicted felon, who was not allowed to legally possess guns.
>> tonight since january there have been more people murdered on the streets of chicago than american soldiers killed in afghanistan. in chicago, homicides are up 17% and shootings up 11% over the last year alone. chicago hadn't reached the 500 homicide mark since 2008. it has been 512 days since the u.s. lost its top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? not enough. that gets me to other fourth story "outfront" tonight. bracing for impact. fears of falling off the fiscal cliff are taking a big toll on the financial market. stocks close lower for the fifth straight day, ending the week down nearly 2%. the dow suffered its steepest loss since november 14th and tonight, the president warned of the economic consequences of this partisan gridlock. >> economists, business leaders,
all think that we're poised to grow in 2013. as long as politics in washington don't get in the way of america's progress. so we've got to get this done. >> "outfront" tonight, daniel altman at nyu stern school of business. good to you have both here. steven, let me start with you. do you share the president's modest optimism? >> you know, my opinion of this changes every couple of hours, john. because there's these negotiations going on. and this morning i felt pretty positive the president was flying back from his hawaii vacation, republicans seemed to be in the mood to try to get this done, and they could bridge this gap. but you know, my conversations with some of the republican leaders is that not much was accomplished today. and as you know, john, the clock is ticking. what are we, 72 hours away from going over that cliff? i'm not sure this is going to get resolved right new. looks like we may go into
january without a deal. >> stephen moore saying we're going off the cliff. we've got new details on the plan, the president's scaled-down proposal. here's what's on the table. extend the current tax rates for 98% of americans, incomes up to $250,000. extend unemployment benefits, that's an important point. not being talked about enough. extending the alternative minimum tax patch. prevents cuts in payments to doctors who treatment medicare payments. -- patients. would this scaled-down proposal save us from economic disaster? >> we've done a tremendous amount of damage to ourselves, embarrassing ourselves around the world. we're assuring investors we're as risky as standard & poor's thought we were when they reduced our credit rating. it would be great if we could avoid sharp credit risks. restoring the unemployment insurance benefits is really important because you have millions of people who are depending on this for income. and they're going to spend that money if you give it to them and that's what the economy needs. >> absolutely right. >> wait, hold on.
let me say something. that outlines that deal that you just put on the table, on the screen, that's not -- no different than what the president's been saying for six weeks. this was the problem. this is why there was no progress today. the president didn't really budge an inch. look, i totally disagree. i think extending unemployment insurance is a big negative for the economy. i don't see why republicans would want to do that and they don't. what's sort of in this deal for the republicans? there's no real spending cuts here. in fact, there's a spending increase in exchange for a tax increase. i see republicans walking away from the table on that. we need real serious spending cuts and they're just not being presented here. >> that's part of the tragic aspect of this whole kabuki. working toward a deal, the president was offering some entitlement reform -- >> what entitlement reform? >> changed cpi on social security, talked about raising the eligibility age, that's not nothing from a democratic president. >> the democrats never put raising the eligibility age of medicare on the table, that was
one of the reasons the negotiations broke down. >> there's a reason for that and the reason is simple. you can't do this in a two-day period. we need a deal which is going to get us over the tax cliff so we don't have the increase in tax rates. but an entitlement reform, a comprehensive tax reform, these things are going to take more time. >> that's absolutely true but that's the reason -- why not just extend all these tax rates as we did two years ago, then do tax reform and entitlement reform in 2013, we don't go over the cliff. >> we'll get to the possibility of a comprehensive reform next year in a second. let me ask you this. if we agree, just reality check, if we all agree on 98% of the taxes at stake, why not just take that deal and then we can focus on the other 2% later. as a card-carrying fiscal conservative, one of the leading ones in the country, do you feel a bad deal is worse than no deal? would you rather say, if it's not perfect, let's go over the cliff? >> i think raising the capital
gains tax, raising the dividend tax, raising the estate tax, raising taxes on small businesses, is a disaster for the economy, it's too fragile. >> that's not true at all. all the research shows that actually the economic activity is not that sensitive to tax rates at the top of the income distribution -- >> that's not true, it's the opposite. >> i'm sorry -- the economy's highly sensitive, that's why countries around the world have been cutting their tax rates. >> we grew faster when we had higher tax rates. >> let's just do it another reality check on this. which is that, whether we go over the cliff or have a scaled-down deal, we've got two things looming, a debt ceiling in probably two months which republicans will no doubt use as leverage. we still don't have a grand bargain that deals with deficit and debt by taking on tax reform and entitlement reform. what rational reason, stephen, first you, should we have that that other kick the can to another situation we're about to go off a cliff would produce any different result from a new
congress? >> i'm not sure it will. john, what we're talking about here is very deep ideological divisions in terms of what causes economic growth, what causes prosperity for the country. you can see it in the two of us arguing. i think raising tax rates is a disaster for the economy. i think it will be very harmful. a lot of liberals believe it doesn't do much harm at all. we have philosophical differences here. >> not only are we embarrassing ourselves in front of people from around the world and making it seem a lot riskier to invest in this country, we're manufacturing this crisis which is going to mean government loses the trust of voters and that's going to make it much harder to collect taxes in the future and spend in the future and do anything. >> i agree, get this done, extend the tax cuts, go into 2013 without going over the cliff, deal with some of these issues. you're right, it will be an embarrassment for the american economy if we go over this cliff, it would be very problematic for us. but you can't blame the republicans. think both parties share equally
in the blame. >> polls show everybody's going to blame the republicans. >> that's a political matter. i'll tell you it's not a philosophical disagreement, it's a crisis of self-government. a disturbing story out of new york tonight next. police are looking for a young woman who allegedly pushes a man onto the subway tracks when a train was approaching the station in queens. police have just identified the man as 46-year-old suendo sen of queens, new york. this is the second time in a month a passenger was pushed to his death in front of a train. it's raising some serious questions about the safety of the nation's largest subway system. >> it was -- it was horrible. horrible. it echoed through the bottom. i never want to hear something like that again. >> reporter: this man heard the final scream of the victim. james callanan's train was halted because of the incident. >> they said that this is the last stop on the 7 train.
debris fell on the tracks. that's all they were telling people. >> reporter: witnesses say the victim was standing on the edge of this subway platform in queens when a woman who was pacing and talking to herself pushed him onto the tracks. the victim was a graphic designer who had moved to new york from india. >> i'm feeling very bad. he has nobody here. and i heard that his parents died a long time before. >> reporter: surveillance footage captured this woman running from the station. police are searching for the woman they describe as heavy-set, in her 20s, wearing a ski jacket and sneakers. >> we do live in a world where our subway platforms are open and that's not going to change. >> reporter: at a news conference friday, mayor bloomberg and new york city police commissioner ray kelly were inundated with questions about the subway death. >> mayor bloomberg, a second subway pushing death in this city in less than a month. i'm wondering what your reaction is to that. how can it be prevented? >> i don't know that there is a way to prevent -- there's always
going to be someone, a deranged person. >> reporter: this month a 58-year-old man was killed when a homeless man shoved him onto the tracks in times square. >> commissioner, would you consider putting more police on platforms in the wake of what's happened this month? >> no, we think that we are properly deployed in the transit system. >> so not something you'd consider at this point. >> you show me any place in this world where 5.5 million people get together that has the visit -- virtually zero crime rate that we do. >> reporter: mta which runs new york city subways would not talk to us on-camera but said people should stay away from the platform edges and be aware of their surroundings at all times. bill henderson advises the mta. what can be done to prevent things like this? >> i mean, not -- you can't eliminate the possibility, but this is a very rare occurrence. >> why not put some sort of barrier here? >> you have different car types running on the tracks on new york city subways and they have doors placed at different points
along the length. if you ran a different kind of car, you'd have to move openings. >> just not practical? >> not practical. >> very expense sniff. >> very expensive? >> very expensive. >> reporter: subway deaths like these are very rare here in new york city. years go by without them happening and the same is true in other major cities like washington, d.c. and boston. john? >> thank you, poppy. still to come, the battle lines have been drawn. the players have picked their side. our panel counts down the best political rivalries next. power down your little word game. i think your friends will understand. oh no, it's actually my geico app...see? ...i just uh paid my bill. did you really? from the plane? yeah, i can manage my policy, get roadside assistance, pretty much access geico 24/7. sounds a little too good to be true sir. i'll believe that when pigs fly. ok, did she seriously just say that?
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we're back with tonight's "outer circle" where we reach out to our sources around the world. tonight weep go to johannesburg, where despite rumors that nelson mandela is close to death, his family says he is at home doing well following gallstone surgery. robyn curnow spoke to mandela's granddaughter a short while ago
>> this is the first time we've heard from anybody close to nelson mandela since he was hospitalized in early december. there's been secrecy about his condition so no doubt many will be relieved to hear his granddaughter say he's cheerful in good spirits. >> sitting up, waving at the kids, smiling at the kid is, very alert. >> his granddaughter addressed the rumors nelson mandela was sent home by his doctors to die. she says this was not the case and the family and nelson mandela deserved both privacy and respect. >> thank you. our fifth story "outfront" tonight. before a big fight, boxer mohammad ali used to say, we're going to get it on because we don't get along. and the same is true in political rivalries today. after a bruising election year, our station's star politicians are getting ready for new fights in 2013. they're dusting off their gloves, getting back in the
ring. we have a front-row seat with an early look at the top five political rivalries that will likely play out in the new year. let's start up in the bay state. we've got a bitter fight from this election year and you can see these folks serving again in the senate. elizabeth warren and scott brown, take a look at their sparring this year. >> i think what you're referring to is the fact that professor warren claimed she was a native american, a person of color. and as you can see, she's not. >> senator brown wants to raise an issue about my character, then i'll lay it out there. you know, when i was growing up, these are the stories i knew about my heritage. i believed my mother and my father and my aunts and my uncles and i never asked anybody for any documentation. >> well, i'll tell you, scott brown obviously lost that race. with john kerry going to state, scott walker's probably going to
run in june, they could be serving together, what do you think about that? >> she knocked him out like manny pacquiao got knocked out, so forget that. she beat him down this last race, trust me. >> barack obama dealt the knockout blow. it wasn't this candidate, she was a very, very weak candidate by any standard. she's beloved by progressives but she won because barack obama was at the top of the ticket, let's get real. >> scott brown has a 58% favorability rating, it's likely he's the republican nominee and very like live he goes back to the senate. all's fair in love and war. they're going to be colleagues in the senate. if that's true, they'll get over it. >> when she loses, play that tape of pacquiao getting knocked down, say that's scott brown. >> margaret's right, scott brown's still popular in massachusetts. >> but he lost. >> despite that he's a republican. >> number four rivalry, paul ryan versus marco rubio, the republican party already making
jokes about 2016. >> both parties tend to divide americans into our voters and their voters. we must speak to the aspirations and anxieties of every american. >> one of the fundamental challenges before us is to find an appropriate and sustainable role for government. and closing that gap between the dreams of millions of americans and the opportunities for them to realize them. >> now, that was the jack kemp dinner, they were joking about seeing each other at diners in iowa. both making conscious plays to have the gop reach out to the middle class, reach out beyond their base, the repudiation of mitt romney. are they on a collision course? >> this is a rivalry welcome. i mean, bring it on! this is what the republican party needs.
>> the real battle will be rubio/ted cruz because they want to say i can lock up latinos. cruz, he's a texan, he's going to come in slinging. he's going to walk in and say, marco, you're not the only hot hispanic. >> they're both trying to craft this middle class message but they're doing it in subtly different ways. i think rubio has the inside track. >> let's do something a little more top call, which is john boehner and eric cantor. even politico was saying a year ago they call for a truce, their staffs were trying to find a way to work together. speaker vote is coming up january 3rd. boehner had a bad beating in
that plan b vote. >> i think the main thing that boehner has going for him in the rivalry is he has the worst job in the world. >> is it really the worst job in the world? >> certainly the worst job in congress. speaker boehner has to sit there and eat a lot of stuff you wouldn't necessarily want to eat because there are a lot of republicans who basically want to emote, they want to act up and speaker boehner just has to take it and try to hammer deal and eric cantor, if he goes into boehner's role, he has to do the same thing boehner wants to do. >> the starting quarterback hates the number two quarterback and boehner, if he was smart, he should have dispatched him a long time ago and said, young man, i'm going to put you out to pasture if you pull that crap on me again. he made a mistake over the debt ceiling. >> the two of them are working very closely during the negotiations. if you ask any republican on the
senate, nobody thinks boehner's speakership is challenged. >> but it only takes 17 votes for that whole thing to fall apart. it reminds me of "the godfather," keep your friends close and enemies closer. >> this won't be cantor in that job, though, he know it is too well to want to take it. >> that's a fascinating job as well. number two, we've got grover norquist versus the gop. and here's what's fascinating. he's been a major player, a huge figure, and yet the push back has been growing. the tide has been swelling. take a look at this montage clip of republicans pushing back on grover norquist in the atr pledge. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other should be avoid greed. >> i never signed the pledge. >> he's becoming irrelevant. you can see it in his eyes. he knows the game is up. >> a pledge you sign 20 years
ago, 18 years ago, is for that congress. >> i'm going to be the one to determine what a tax increase is. grover norquist is not going to determine what a tax increase is. >> message seems clear. don't fear the grover. that echoes throughout the upper echelons of the gop. >> boehner put tax revenues on the table and we heard nothing from norquist. this is a false drama, manufactured by people like you who can't stand norquist. >> people like me? just because the emperor's wearing no clothes and i think it's worth pointing it out. >> the fiscal cliff is a big deal because it's kind of like a vampire and garlic. once you go over the cliff, tax rate go up so much, anything is a tax cut beyond nat. the thing is if you're actually raising taxes from a current policy tax line, you would violate his pledge, but once they go up automatically, cutting them from there, which could still mean higher taxes than we have now, is not actually a tax hike. >> you mentioned "the godfather." they need to treat him like fredo.
>> i appreciate a good "godfather" reference. number one, hillary versus hillary. here is why, because she has the whole democratic field tied up. here's her denial and james carville setting the record straight. >> i said i don't really believe that that's something i will do again. i am so grateful i had the experience of doing it before. but you know, i think there are lots of ways to serve. so i will continue to serve. >> she's an extraordinarily able person. i never met anyone i thought was a better public servant, but i have no earthly idea what she'll decide to do. >> every democrat i know says god, i hope she runs. we don't need a primary. we don't want to fight with anybody over anything. >> she's leaving state, but i hate to fast forward into 2016, but the fact is until she makes up her mind what she does, the democratic presidential field is frozen. >> no, it's not. >> no? >> compare hillary clinton 2012
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